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why is john mccain so gri? why america? why are we fighting the vietnam war all over again in the united states senate. the have it tree troll against chuck hagel. is it about lyndon johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what is it that burns so deeply in john mccain today? for some reason he wants to play it again and again in iraq and afterno afghanistan and again in iran. we look at the resentment burning in john mccain's heart. it's not against george w. bush and his political henchmen who tried to stay mccain's reputation in 2000 but a guy who fear and rallied against wounds just like he did. chuck hagel, a nightmare, by the way, whose flashbacks must haunt still the heart still of john sydney mccain. both are msnbc analysts. both of you, sir, and lady, are younger than me, but i must tell you i'm absolutely convinced we're watching a flashback. watch this. he did a long angry windup before he launched into his first so-called question which was really an indictment. it included putdowns as well as references
why is john mccain so gri? why america? why are we fighting the vietnam war all over again in the united states senate. the have it tree troll against chuck hagel. is it about lyndon johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what is it that burns so deeply in john mccain today? for some reason he wants to play it again and again in iraq and afterno afghanistan and again in iran. we look at the resentment burning in john mccain's heart. it's not against george w. bush and his political...
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why is john mccain so angry? 40 years after the vietnam p.o.w.s came home, the most famous of them is angrier than ever. why is america, why are we fighting the vietnam war all over again in the united states senate? the ticked off vitriol against chuck hagel, what is it about? is it for show? is it about something hagel said in the cloakroom? is it the unfairness of vietnam itself, that some went and some didn't? is it about johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what burns so deeply in john mccain these days? it seems to excite those who knew nothing about vietnam but want to replay it. we dig into the deep well of resentment burning in john mccain's patriotic heart. a resentment not against the north vietnamese who imprisoned and tortured him all those years, not against george w. bush and his political henchmen who tried to stain mccain's reputation back in 2000, but against a guy who fought against fear and rallied against wounds just like he did in the same army of america's long nightmare in vietna
why is john mccain so angry? 40 years after the vietnam p.o.w.s came home, the most famous of them is angrier than ever. why is america, why are we fighting the vietnam war all over again in the united states senate? the ticked off vitriol against chuck hagel, what is it about? is it for show? is it about something hagel said in the cloakroom? is it the unfairness of vietnam itself, that some went and some didn't? is it about johnson's inability to win that war or end it? what burns so deeply...
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in a way john mccain made the surge into the war as john mccain would have fought it as commander in chief and anyone who questions it gets the wrath of mccain. i watched that part of the hearing with colonel jack jacobs and patrick murphy, the former pennsylvania congressman who served in iraq. both of them were at the bottom of the pile as he called it. you just view war differently. but the lesson that these two men took from vietnam are so different. hagel took the questioning, the same as patrick murphy did, fielded lied to. >> here's lindsey graham. badgering hagel. badgering is the word for it. whether the iranian revolutionary guard should be termed a terroristic organization. i think this is aimed directly at south carolina's right wing. let's listen. >> if there was a vote on the floor of the senate this afternoon to label the iranian revolutionary guard, the people who have killed our soldiers in iraq, some of the most vicious people to the people of iran themselves, if there were a vote tomorrow or this afternoon, would you still vote no? >> i would want to know from the
in a way john mccain made the surge into the war as john mccain would have fought it as commander in chief and anyone who questions it gets the wrath of mccain. i watched that part of the hearing with colonel jack jacobs and patrick murphy, the former pennsylvania congressman who served in iraq. both of them were at the bottom of the pile as he called it. you just view war differently. but the lesson that these two men took from vietnam are so different. hagel took the questioning, the same as...
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john mccain is stuck in some time warp. he's just angry, upset, and just hostility that comes across from him is just unreal these days. hagel did not understand the type of onslaught he was going to get. he did look unprepared. but it's just curious that you have a president who's trying to be bipartisan and a republican party that's going so forecefully after him. i mean, it's just strange what's going on within the republican leadership at this moment. >> let's move on to this picture that was tweeted out by jay carney showing the president last august at camp david. he had said in an interview that he enjoys skeat shooting. there's the proof of it. but felicia, why of it. why tweet it now? >> as my colleague mentioned, we didn't get a sense from the white house that this was coming. when he tweeted that, a lot of people were taken back by it. the senior white house adviser tweeting it, it seems like it took the white house a couple of days to get its act together and they were really unprepared for the firestorm to sort
john mccain is stuck in some time warp. he's just angry, upset, and just hostility that comes across from him is just unreal these days. hagel did not understand the type of onslaught he was going to get. he did look unprepared. but it's just curious that you have a president who's trying to be bipartisan and a republican party that's going so forecefully after him. i mean, it's just strange what's going on within the republican leadership at this moment. >> let's move on to this picture...
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john mccain has been on this issue before. it's not surprising but the real fresh face here is marco rubio. he seems to have spent a lot of time going to conservative talk radio to soften the ground. how important is this to him and how important is he to the whole issue? >> marco rubio is a really interesting player, in part because of his own story. he is the son of legal immigrants. >> from cuban to florida. >> right. he is an icon among conservatives who do see him as the future and he has a way of talking about this issue where he had rush limbaugh essentially eating out of his hand so i think that a lot of republicans do look to marco rubio has -- as sort of finding the path but statement you have the 12345r9 from louisiana saying -- senator from louisiana saying marco rubio is just naive. gwen: what about the president's role? they beat him to the punch in the announcement. he went to las vegas the next day and say me too and we hope they mean it. is he waiting for congress to take the lead? >> for now. this has been a
john mccain has been on this issue before. it's not surprising but the real fresh face here is marco rubio. he seems to have spent a lot of time going to conservative talk radio to soften the ground. how important is this to him and how important is he to the whole issue? >> marco rubio is a really interesting player, in part because of his own story. he is the son of legal immigrants. >> from cuban to florida. >> right. he is an icon among conservatives who do see him as the...
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john mccain started one day to talk about immigration, and what happens? we are where we are. >> some people know that capitol hill is amazing, because you can walk up to anyone, and that does not mean they will talk to you, but you can ask a question. when i moved from the hill, from the white house to the hill, i was like standing back because i was trained like not to approach people, and they were, "go ahead, approach people." i have watched you. you physically grabbed the senators. tell me the secret in getting these senators to talk to you. >> i do not actually grab them. >> yes, you do. >> i sort of hide behind the bushes and pop out. you try to develop a relationship over the years and talking to them and grabbing them in certain locations, where they are more predisposed to chat. when they are running quickly to a vote, for instance, i would not get the best interview, but if they are walking back to their office, you will have more time to chat and get to know them. over the years, you develop a level of trust, that they can trust what you will r
john mccain started one day to talk about immigration, and what happens? we are where we are. >> some people know that capitol hill is amazing, because you can walk up to anyone, and that does not mean they will talk to you, but you can ask a question. when i moved from the hill, from the white house to the hill, i was like standing back because i was trained like not to approach people, and they were, "go ahead, approach people." i have watched you. you physically grabbed the...
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and -- >> are you saying that is an incentive. >> john mccain has been candid about it. he said my own state, the demographics of my own state are changing. it will be-- arizona will be a democratic state. general bush has predicted that by 2030 texas will be a blue state unless the republicans act on this. he's one of the few people who has sounded this alarm in his party. >> the republicans are actually pretty smart about this. they say immigration is a threshold issue. it is not enough to get the latino vote but you have to get over thatness. >> it's not the silver bullet. if mitt romney got the percentage ronald reagan did of hispanics we have depeted barack obama. >> speaking of thresholds, the super bowl sunday night i'm going to put you both on the spot. call the score who is going to win. >> the score will be-- 2-0, that is baseball, john harbaugh, the baltimore ravens coach, the kid who wasn't the starting quarterback, wasn't the golden boy, baltimore, san francisco is beautiful, a wonderful city, tony bennett sings a great song. herb canee called it baghdad on
and -- >> are you saying that is an incentive. >> john mccain has been candid about it. he said my own state, the demographics of my own state are changing. it will be-- arizona will be a democratic state. general bush has predicted that by 2030 texas will be a blue state unless the republicans act on this. he's one of the few people who has sounded this alarm in his party. >> the republicans are actually pretty smart about this. they say immigration is a threshold issue. it...
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mitt romney barely won as many votes as john mccain did in 2008. if you compare preelection estimates to exit polls, what you find is 5 percentage points of independents didn't show up. so the party that actually figures out how to represent these independents, and my hunch is many of them are these social liberal voters is going to be ahead in the demographic race. that's why you saw smart democrats actually run functionally libertarian campaigns. notice democrats who won, they ran on fiscal issues and distanced themselves from the president. they stole the rhetoric of fiscal conservatives. this is also why you found republican candidates who won, they ran on fiscal issues but they didn't emphasize abortion. over time, i believe the party that embraces this libertarian center of the public will come ahead in the demographic battle. the second point i'd like to make is about the tea party. some people think the tea party lost the election particularly in the senate. and the argument goes something like that this n. 2010 there was kristine o'donnell
mitt romney barely won as many votes as john mccain did in 2008. if you compare preelection estimates to exit polls, what you find is 5 percentage points of independents didn't show up. so the party that actually figures out how to represent these independents, and my hunch is many of them are these social liberal voters is going to be ahead in the demographic race. that's why you saw smart democrats actually run functionally libertarian campaigns. notice democrats who won, they ran on fiscal...
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i told john mccain about this last week. he is a very dear friend. if you are elected president and he could be, you will not be able to govern this country until you deal with iraq, start unwinding this and getting us out. it is so bitter and so deep and so dividing our country won't be able to govern. won't get a democratic congress -- will there be less democrats in congress come november? i doubt it. he accepted that.
i told john mccain about this last week. he is a very dear friend. if you are elected president and he could be, you will not be able to govern this country until you deal with iraq, start unwinding this and getting us out. it is so bitter and so deep and so dividing our country won't be able to govern. won't get a democratic congress -- will there be less democrats in congress come november? i doubt it. he accepted that.